Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays of the year.  With my schedule, I rarely get to spend time with my family, so it’s always good to see them.  For those of you that know me, and think I’m a little weird at times (you know, on days that end in ‘y’), I think my character is easily explained by my heritage.  Notable Thanksgiving moments:

1) We’ll start off with the most pleasant.  My dog, Gus, cleared the room with an exceptional release of gas. 

Yes, for such a little animal, he packs a punch.  This is a picture of him shortly after odorously offending the masses.  Apparently he didn’t see what the big deal was.  This is how weiner dogs celebrate…

2) My grandpa commenting that the Seahawks’ jerseys didn’t do much for him.  “They look like a bunch of giant ninja turtles.” Ninja turtles losing to Cowboys….I don’t think so.

3) My dad while looking at one of my kettlebells, “What the hell is that thing? It looks like Mickey Mouse…”.

                                        

 

 

 

 

The resemblance is uncanny…

4) My grandma makes the best pie ever (yes, better than your grandma).  After a day of lounging and eating, it’s a mental struggle to decide which kind to indulge in.  I saved myself the struggle this year.  I know before and after pictures are big in the fitness industry.

Pie (Before)

Pie (After)

Nobody thought I could do it.  They were wrong.

You may be thinking, “what does any of this have to do with training hockey players?”  Everything! Gus taught us that a lack of size does not mean a lack of power (important for the smaller players out there).  Grandpa taught us…well, we always enjoy his company.  And the pie taught us to never let someone tell you that you can’t achieve something.  WIth the right amount of determination (and whipped cream) and the mind state that failure is not an option, you can achieve anything. 

I hope you all enjoyed your Thanksgiving!  

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KN: Coach Boyko, thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to do this.  Can you please introduce yourself to those readers that may not yet know you?

CB: My pleasure.  Thanks for the opportunity.  I am an assistant strength coach at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.  I have worked with Men’s Ice Hockey for eight years and worked with a combination of Men’s and Women’s Basketball, Men’s and Women’s Ski Team, and Men’s Soccer for the past 6 years.

KN: Before you started working at UMass, where were some of the places you’ve interned, volunteered, observed, etc.?

CB: I started the path that led me to UMass by volunteering at Brookline High School when I was an undergrad at UMass-Lowell.  I then applied to graduate school at Springfield College and had the pleasure of volunteering at Holy Cross with Jeff Oliver.  During graduate school I worked with the teams on campus as well as interned at Northeast Sports Training in Warwick, RI and at the University of Arizona in Tucson.  I was fortunate enough to get an opportunity to work part-time with the hockey team at UMass and that blossomed into a full-time position after I completed my graduate work.  I consider myself very lucky to have the opportunities that I have had and to be able to work with some excellent strength coaches and teachers along the way.

KN: You’ve had a lot of success at UMass with the ski team recently winning a national championship and men’s soccer finishing in the final 4 last year.  What’s your secret?  Can you expand on how your training philosophy has evolved over the years?

CB: First, I would say that I do not believe that I am not primarily responsible for these team’s accomplishments.  If the team is not well coached and good athletes are not recruited, then they are not going to perform well no matter what I do with them in the weightroom.  One thing that I have learned over my short career as a strength and conditioning coach is that there is more than one way to be a successful strength coach.  Various coaches have various methods of keeping their athletes healthy, making them stronger, more fit, and better athletes.  I may not follow the same template of other strength coaches, but I sure can learn from what they do and take certain ideas and apply them if I agree.  If I don’t agree, at least I can stop and think of why I don’t want to use it, which can sometimes be just as good.  Over the last 8 years I have been exposed to a variety of coaches with a variety of styles of programming and coaching.  I have learned and taken ideas, exercises, and coaching methods from all of them to form my philosophy.  By trying others programs, analyzing them, then trying different things with my athletes has led me to the philosophy that I have now.  One thing that I would like to add is that there are certain basic principles that I believe in, but I am always open to change if it will benefit my athletes.  So my philosophy is being constantly “tweaked.”

KN: The strength and conditioning profession seems to have a certain stigma of being brain-dead meatheads amongst academics.  Where do you think the disconnect is?  What can strength coaches do to help bridge the gap?

CB: I am not really exposed to much of this, so hopefully I won’t stick my foot in my mouth.  Unfortunately, strength and conditioning coaches have developed a stereotype of muscle bound meatheads that are just bent on seeing big testing numbers by just having athletes lift heavy and eat excessive amounts of red meat without any thought to their programs.  If you saw me, the last thing you would think is that I am a strength coach.  When I tell people they usually laugh and say I thought you were a banker or accountant.  The point being, I need to be well-read and educated to have my athletes believe in me and my programs.  I believe there are more educated strength coaches than ever before and that there is a gap between the academic world and the strength and conditioning world because we have to have a strong academic understanding as well as practical experience.  I can say this, there have been wonderful studies that have said a certain protocol or exercise is effective, but in the weight room it may not be possible due to lack of staff, facilities, or time.

KN: I agree.  A lot of the in-lab studies aren’t always practical in the real world.

I’ve found picking the brains of people such as yourself, Brijesh Patel, Michael Boyle, and Eric Cressey to be an invaluable resource in helping me to create and modify my programs.  How important do you think it is to network with other strength coaches?

CB: I think it is extremely important to network.  I am by far NOT the best strength coach in the world.  One of the best ways of making myself better is to talk to other strength coaches and see what they are doing and how they address some of the problems that I am having.  I believe if you stop learning, asking questions, and modifying your program then you will be doing your athletes a disservice.  I have been very fortunate to work with a core group of excellent strength coaches such as Jeff Oliver, Bob Otrando, Brad Arnett, Brijesh Patel, and Mark Stephenson.  My network has expanded by being in their network and it just evolves from there.  I try to talk to as many people as I can, try not to burn any bridges, and through that I am able to expand my network.

KN: Speaking of learning and finding new ideas, how has continuing education been instrumental in your success?  Other than the coaches you listed above, what resources/seminars do you rely on for new information/ideas?

CB: I definitely believe it helps in terms of molding a philosophy and bettering yourself as a strength coach.  As I already stated, if you stop learning you will be cheating the athletes you train because they are trusting their health and careers in your hands.  I rely on subscriptions to the NSCA journals, Training and Conditioning, and Biomechanics.  I believe Mike Boyle, S&B Coaches College, and Eric Cressey do a great job of putting out quality information (by the way I am not getting any endorsement money for this).  I believe it is important to network at conferences.  Perform Better does an excellent job of putting together a diverse lineup of speakers at their seminars and I have been able to expand my network at these events (once again, no endorsement money for this either).

KN: In the last several years there seems to be a merging of information between the strength and conditioning and physical therapy fields.  Do you think this will continue in the future?  What changes do you think will occur (or do you hope to see) in our profession over the next 5-10 years?

CB: I think it will.  I would just caution falling in love with any new trend or fad.  People tend to take new concepts such as functional training, core training, corrective exercise, and mobility work and do it to the point of excess and forget that you still have to have fit and strong athletes.  Not to say that these ideas don’t have value, because I believe in all of these concepts, but I do believe there should be an appropriate balance.  I would like to see the profession continue to grow with motivated coaches that are eager to learn and share ideas for the benefit of the athletes that we train.  I would like to hope that this can be accomplished by quality coaches with experience putting out quality information.  I think the internet has been great in regards to being an avenue to access a lot of information.  I just hope it doesn’t become littered with B.S. from people that are not qualified.

KN: Last question.  Knowing what you know now, would you do anything different during your college years?  What advice would you give to an aspiring strength and conditioning professional?

CB: I still don’t think I know that much, but If I had to do something different I would have started learning and training more seriously from an earlier age from more qualified teachers.  I started my weightlifting training with college roommates that were bigger than me and I would say I wasted a couple of years of training and developed some bad habits (and shoulders) that were tough to break.  The advice that I would give to an aspiring strength and conditioning professional would be to never stop learning, try everything, and be very open-minded.

KN: Thanks Coach, and good luck the rest of the year at UMass.

CB: Thanks for having me and I hope I have been helpful.


Kevin Neeld, BSc, MS, CSCS is the Director of Athletic Development at Endeavor Fitness in Sewell, NJ and the author of Hockey Training University’s “Off-Ice Performance Training Course,” a must-have resource for every hockey program.  Through the application of functional anatomy, biomechanics, and neural control, Kevin specializes in guiding hockey players to optimal health and performance. Kevin developed an incredible ice hockey training membership site packed full of training programs, exercise videos, and articles specific to hockey. For a FREE copy of “Strong Hockey Core Training”, one of the sessions from his course, go to his hockey training website.

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In Part 1, Mike told us about how he got to where he is today, how his athletic history affects his programming, and how he continues to educate himself to stay at the top of the industry.  Read on to hear Mike talk about the importance of networking, the merging of strength and conditioning and physical therapy practices, and some tips on keeping your knees healthy.

KN: How important do you think it is to network with other professionals within (other strength coaches) and outside (athletic trainers, physical therapists, doctors, etc.) our profession?  How did you go about building a team of professionals you can consult with and trust?

MR: It’s hugely important, Kevin.  Quite simply, you can’t be everything to everyone.

I’ve done my best to build a solid-network here in Indianapolis.  In fact, I had worked with at least 10 massage therapists before I found one that I was comfortable referring people to!  After three years I finally have the team I want around me – a solid PT, chiro, massage therapist, surgeon, etc.

As far as building a team goes, I really feel like you need to seek out the best in each respective field.  For me, I went to numerous massage therapists before I found one I liked.  However, doing some research could save you some time as well.  Ask around – who is really good?  Who is doing things similar to you, albeit in a different field?  It takes some time and dedication, but it will make you much more efficient in the long-run.

One last point – always remember that your network is a reflection on you as a coach.  If you refer a client to someone and they are late to appointments, or flat out not that good, it’s a poor reflection on you.  In contrast if you have solid professionals backing you, it takes your game to the next level.

KN: In the last several years there seems to be a merging of information between the strength and conditioning and physical therapy fields.  Do you think this will continue in the future?  What changes do you think will occur (or do you hope to see) in our profession over the next 5-10 years?

MR: I definitely would like to see a continued “blending” off all training mediums.  I hate the fact that people want to make the fields black and white – the PT does therapy, and then they hand the client off to the strength coach, etc.  The more each cog in the wheel understands about the others job, the more seamless the entire training process becomes.

I don’t have any desire to do true physical therapy, but having a greater understanding of their vantage point and methodologies allows me to take my job as a trainer or coach to the next level.

KN: I couldn’t agree more.  It’s a shame that the body’s functions are typically taught and viewed as isolated systems.  I think the more we can blend information among fields and open the lines of communication, the more effective all professionals will be.

It wouldn’t be a Mike Robertson interview if I didn’t ask for some knee tips.  What are three things athletes and lifters should do (and probably aren’t) to improve the health and functioning of their knees?

MR: Unfortunately, like runners and other avid enthusiasts, true lifters tend to be minimalists.  They don’t like to do the stuff that keeps them healthy; they just want to lift!

With that being said, for the average lifter here are three things I would highly recommend.  My apologies if you’ve heard this before!

#1 – Single Leg Work

Whether you’re a powerlifter, Olympic lifter, or just someone who loves to train, single-leg work does a ton of good things for your body.  It reinforces good mobility at the hips.  It improves stability in the frontal and transverse planes.  Basically, even if it doesn’t get you immeasurably stronger they can help keep your lower body healthy, especially the knees.

#2 – Foam Rolling/Mobility Drills

This has been harped on time and again, but I’m still shocked at how many people don’t warm-up, cool-down and recover properly!  Basic foam rolling and mobility drills for the hips, thighs and ankles goes a long way to staying healthy.

#3 – Get the posterior chain stronger

Again, this is harped on from an athletic perspective, but most people in general who hit the iron would be behooved to get their back side stronger.  We already know that athletes who tear their ACL’s tend to be quad dominant, and they are supposed to be “healthier” than the average individual!  Smart training for the glutes and hamstrings balances strength around the hip and knee joints, which is never a bad thing.

KN: Last question.  Knowing what you know now, would you do anything different during your college years?  What advice would you give to an aspiring strength and conditioning professional?

MR: I do my best not to look back – there are always things we wish were different!  However, our past, both good and bad, are what make us the people we are today.

I think the only thing I can honestly say I would’ve done differently was laid a better foundation up front with regards to my movement.  I know so much more now about how the body moves and functions, I feel like I could be even stronger and healthier had I laid that foundation initially.  However, I’m not doing too bad now so there’s really no need to nitpick!

To an aspiring strength coach, I would give the following advice:

Learn everything you can from everyone you can.  Some will be good, some will be bad, but soak it all up.

If you’re going to be really successful in the industry, you have to lay your own foundation.  The better you understand functional anatomy, the better off you’ll be.  Functional anatomy can help you prevent injuries, get stronger, improve athletic performance, the works.  Make it a goal to learn anatomy inside and out and never stop learning.

Finally, you are your best guinea pig.  You absolutely must push yourself in the gym if you want your clients/athletes to respect you.  You don’t have to win bodybuilding shows or powerlifting meets, but if you aren’t working hard yourself, why should your clients or athletes listen to you?

KN: Great advice!  Thanks again for taking the time to do this.  As I’ve mentioned to you before, I think Building the Efficient Athlete (Mike Robertson and Eric Cressey) and the 2008 Indianapolis Performance Enhancement Seminar (Mike Robertson and Bill Hartman) DVDs are must-sees for anyone in the industry.  Where can readers go to find out more information about these and some of your products and services?

MR: No worries Kevin – I’m glad you liked it!

The best place to track me down is at my website, www.RobertsonTrainingSystems.com.  There you can find my blog, my articles, and of course my products.  I’m actually in the process of getting the site re-designed (again), and I think you’ll really like the new look and feel I’m bringing to the table.  Basically, I just want the design to be on par with the content I feel like I’m bringing to the table!

Again, thanks for having me Kevin and I hope you all enjoyed the interview!
Kevin Neeld, BSc, MS, CSCS is the Director of Athletic Development at Endeavor Fitness in Sewell, NJ and the author of Hockey Training University’s “Off-Ice Performance Training Course,” a must-have resource for every hockey program.  Through the application of functional anatomy, biomechanics, and neural control, Kevin specializes in guiding hockey players to optimal health and performance. Kevin developed an incredible ice hockey training membership site packed full of training programs, exercise videos, and articles specific to hockey. For a FREE copy of “Strong Hockey Core Training”, one of the sessions from his course, go to his hockey training website.

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KN: First off, I want to thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to do this.  Can you please introduce yourself to those readers that may not yet know you?

MR: Sure thing Kevin!  My name is Mike Robertson and I’m a strength coach/personal trainer in the Indianapolis area.  Bill Hartman and I are the co-owners of a gym called Indianapolis Fitness and Sports Training (I-FAST).  As well, I am the president of Robertson Training Systems, where I do consulting, public speaking, and writing on the topics of strength training, injury prevention, etc.

KN: What were some of your stops along the way?  Where did you work previously, intern, volunteer, observe, etc.?

MR: It seems like I’ve done a little bit of everything along the way!

I started out like most of us; reading muscle rags like Muscle and Fitness and Flex.  I always knew in the back of my mind that I didn’t necessarily want to look like a bodybuilder, but I enjoyed working out and this was the only real information I could find on the topic.

In the summer of 2000 I interned in the Ball State University athletic weight room and fell in love with coaching.  I spent the next 2.5 years of my life volunteering time and soaking up everything I could.  I was going through a Masters program at the time, and I also began competing in the sport of powerlifting.  Needless to say, I was totally immersed in the field!

Upon completion of my Masters Degree I moved to a small city in northern Indiana called Ft. Wayne.  There, I continued powerlifting and was the director of the Athletic Performance Center.  The name was a little misleading, as I was really doing more chiropractic-based rehab than anything else.  This is where I really started delving into corrective exercise, posture, alignment, and figuring out how the body worked as a functional unit.

After 3 years in Ft. Wayne, I really missed my friends so my wife and I packed up and moved back to Indianapolis.  This is when I started Robertson Training Systems, and I also did quite a bit of in-home personal training.  After 3 years doing this, I decided it was time to buckle down and get the gym open.  The rest, as they say, is history.

KN: Sometimes I think people assume that coaches with a bodybuilding or powerlifting background only train their athletes like bodybuilders or powerlifters.  Despite your history in powerlifting, you’re often thought of as a “corrective exercise” guy.  Can you expand on how your athletic/lifting background influenced your training philosophy?

MR: I think I get pigeon-holed a lot as a “mobility” guy or a “corrective” guy, but I like to think of myself as a results guy.  I’m not really a slave to any system or dogma; I just want the best for my clients, and I want them to get results.

I think my powerlifting background will always push me to load up the weights a bit, but again, I try and keep perspective as to how I train people.  Just because I like to powerlift doesn’t mean it’s the best thing to help my clients achieve their goals!

If anything, I think my background as an athlete is more evident than my experience as a powerlifter.  Whether I’m working with an athlete, a fat loss client, or anything in between, I want people to train more like athletes.  Simple things like med ball exercises, including tire flipping or kettlebell work, etc.  seems to be more enjoyable for all my clients and makes them work harder in the long run.

KN: I’ve noticed that some of my “general population” clients really enjoy training like athletes too.  I think it’s important that they enjoy what they’re doing so that they continue to stay active, even beyond our time together.

On a different note, among academics it doesn’t seem like the strength and conditioning profession gets much respect.  Why do you think this is?  Are all strength coaches genetically predisposed to intellectual inferiority??

MR: Honestly?  I think we don’t get much respect because we don’t educate ourselves enough!  There’s far too much bro-science in the industry, and it’s got to stop if we want to take our industry to the next level.

Now understand, I do my best to balance the science (i.e. studies) and the practice (what works in the gym).  If you lean too far one way or the other, you’ll miss out on some good info.  I think you’re seeing a shift to this mindset now; some of the old-dogs that are using outdated methodologies are being replaced by coaches who are well-read, but also have the in-the-trenches experience to bring it all together.

KN: Brian Tracy talks about investing 3% of your income in professional development.  I know I’ve heard Eric Cressey talk about the thousands of dollars he spends on professional development every year.  Any idea on how much time/money you spend on new products, seminars, etc.?

MR: Probably too much!  In all seriousness, I have no clue how much I spend at this point in time, but for a while I was taking 10% of all my business profits and putting it back into continuing ed!

I can’t tell you how many seminars, books, DVD’s, etc. I’ve reviewed in the past year.  I know that pretty much every night I’m reading something related to the field or my business.  It’s weird; I almost feel like I’m doing something wrong if I just read a powerlifting USA or something similar at night!  I feel like if I’m not reading something educational, I’m going to miss something.  There’s so much to learn – on one hand it’s kind of daunting, but on the other hand the more you read and learn the more you respect how cool the human body is.

KN: Can you talk about how continuing education has been instrumental in your success?  What resources/seminars do you rely on for new information/ideas?

MR: I will constantly tell people that I learned more in the 6 months I got out of college than I did in the 6 years I was in college, simply because I focused on what I needed to learn!

Continuing education is hugely important.  All school does is a lay a foundation, but it’s on you to fill in the gaps.  As well, in the information age there’s so much great info being spread around my great coaches, if you don’t continue to learn you’ll be left behind!

Coming out of school I always felt comfortable coaching and teaching exercises, but my knowledge of functional anatomy and “corrective” exercise was pretty weak.  I think over the years I learned how imperative these tools were, and now that’s actually a strong point in my repertoire.

As far as resources go, I always say I’m willing to learn from anyone who has something of value to teach.  This could be websites like T-Nation or Elite Fitness, research articles from sites like Pubmed, DVD’s, seminars, etc.  And finally, don’t forget that just like you need a network of other great professionals, always try and network with other trainers as well.  What are they doing to get great results?

Stay tuned for Part 2…
Kevin Neeld, BSc, MS, CSCS is the Director of Athletic Development at Endeavor Fitness in Sewell, NJ and the author of Hockey Training University’s “Off-Ice Performance Training Course,” a must-have resource for every hockey program.  Through the application of functional anatomy, biomechanics, and neural control, Kevin specializes in guiding hockey players to optimal health and performance. Kevin developed an incredible ice hockey training membership site packed full of training programs, exercise videos, and articles specific to hockey. For a FREE copy of “Strong Hockey Core Training”, one of the sessions from his course, go to his hockey training website.

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